Welcome to the web's only (as far as I know) blog dedicated to an open discussion of ROCD.

I'm not a therapist, a counselor, or a mental health researcher.
Nothing you find on this blog should be taken as professional advice, and you DEFINITELY shouldn't use this as a substitute for professional medical treatment.

Okay, now that the disclaimer is out the way, I can tell you who I am and why I'm writing this blog. I'm a curious researcher (in a field not related to mental health) engaged to a beautiful women, and I'm tired of doubting the fact that I love her. I know firsthand the torment of ROCD, and I want it to stop. Toward that end, I'd love to hear from anyone and everyone who has experienced these symptoms. This is not a self-help or support site. As a researcher, I'm not going to assume that this disorder is real or that it explains everything happening to me. I want this to be an open forum for discussing everything related to ROCD - the pain it causes, ways to deal with it, and even whether those of us "suffering" from it are really just in denial about our relationships. I only ask that anyone who comments on this blog be respectful of the fact that, whether ROCD is caused by treatable, biological factors or not, those who experience it are indeed in a great state of anguish, so please be thoughtful even if you don't personally feel that this disorder is real. Thanks, and I hope this blogs proves useful to you and me both.

Monday, March 15, 2010

What is Relationship Substantiation OCD?

I'm working under the assumption that you find this site via one of two types of google searche:
  1. "rocd", "relationship substantiation", "relationship ocd", or some other such permutation.
  2. "am I in love with my girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife" or some other general search involving the "realness" of your feelings for someone important to you.
If you've come here via the first route, then you probably already stopped by Dr. Philipson's article and thus have a solid working definition. If you came via the second route (or otherwise missed over the aforementioned article), then this post will help to fill you on what may be the cause of your worries and doubts.

Relationship obsessive compulsive disorder (hereafter referred to as ROCD) is an informal term for a specific flavor of OCD that centers on doubts concerning the reality of one's feelings for one or more important others. I say that ROCD is an "informal term" because the guidebook of psychiatric diagnosis, the DSM IV, doesn't differentiate between different forms of OCD based on their subject. So you wouldn't be likely to be diagnosed with ROCD anymore than you would to be diagnosed with "Germ OCD" or "Counting OCD". Still, for those who suffer form a particular form of the disorder, seeing their symptoms grouped and labeled can help to alleviate the sense of isolation and fear that such symptoms can bring.

This seems to be true of ROCD more so that probably any other flavor of the disorder (except, perhaps, the distinct but often related phenomenon of HOCD, which, though not the main focus of this blog, will be given due attention in time). Usually, ROCD is talked about in conjunction with romantic relationships, although one could theoretically experience similar doubts in relation to anyone toward whom you do (or think you should) feel love or affection. ROCD typically manifests itself as baseless doubts about the reality of one's previously unquestioned love for another, undue fixation on minor flaws that were previously unnoticed or rightly observed to be irrelevant, uncertainty as to whether the person you are with is "the one", and a near constant state of checking for confirmation of one's feelings.

Like most forms of OCD, ROCD tends to revolve around "spikes", or periods of intense anxiety set off by some stimulus in the environment. A typical ROCD spike might go something like this: You're hanging out with your fiance', having a good time, when you lean in for a kiss. After the kiss, you exchange "I love you". Then the spike hits: do I really love her? What if I'm lying to her? Did I really enjoy that kiss? How can I know for sure? In the wake of the spike, the ROCD suffer will place the rest of the interaction under the microscope, looking for evidence to invalidate their doubts. The reaction to every kiss will be examined, gauged, and compared to past kisses (Was this as good as it used to be? What if we're falling out of love?) and/or some ideal of what a kiss should be (Did that kiss make me feel like he kiss of true love is supposed to? What if it didn't?). Jokes and laughs will be evaluated (Did I really think what she said was funny? Was I just laughing because I'm supposed to?), and minor flaws will be attended to as though they were grave offenses (She said she was going to make us tea, but then she got on her laptop. If she loved me, wouldn't she have gotten me tea?).

Spikes can also occur in the absence of one's significant other. The sufferer may find his or herself analyzing how much they miss their partner when they are not with them in order to determine if they are sufficiently distraught, and feelings of contentment or enjoyment in the absence of one's partner may be interpreted as evidence that their love for their partner is absent or insufficient to justify a committed relationship.

It's not hard to see how such spikes, accumulated over time, can lead to an incredible amount of torment for the one experiencing them. Often, those who suffer from ROCD will enjoy the company of their significant other and, on some level, know they are in love with them. However, the constant barrage of what if's and doubts will not abate. This is a common factor of all forms of OCD: those who are obsessed with germs cannot dispel the thought that a stranger's hand may be crawling with lethal pathogens, those obsessed with the idea that they may have hit someone with their car cannot stop themselves from worrying about this possibility, and those who experience images of inappropriate violent or sexual acts cannot relieve the anxiety these thoughts bring. Another common thread in OCD is that suffers often know just how ridiculous their fears are. Most suffers know that the strangers hand is not coated with the Ebola Virus, that the bump they felt was a pothole and not a pedestrian, and that they would never even dream of acting on the inappropriate images that flood their minds. Yet the anxiety persists. Similarly, those suffering from ROCD may know that their partners flaws are insignificant (or even endearing), that it is ok to enjoy leisure time alone, and that their feelings of love are present and genuine. Still, the doubts refuse to abate.

Because the doubts that ROCD elicits cause sufferers to place their thoughts, behaviors, and feelings under the microscope, the disorder can set up something of a feedback loop. Because we doubt our feelings, we examine them closely to see if they are real. Feelings such as love and affection are natural, automatic feelings, however, and looking for them purposely is almost guaranteed to snuff them out. Thus, our search will almost always be in vain, thus feeding our doubts and intensifying our self-defeating search. Further, such self-scrutiny tends to be spurred on by anxiety, and anxiety tends to overshadow any positive feelings that might otherwise be present. In other words, it's very hard to feel warm and affectionate while you're busy being anxious about whether you're feeling warm and affectionate.

I hope this post conveyed the essence of ROCD, at least enough so that we can all be on the same page when we talk about the disorder. In summary, ROCD is a flavor of OCD in which one doubts the reality of one's love for another. This doubt causes one to constantly evaluate romantic moments, expressions of love, and even time apart to determine if these events elicit the proper and expected emotions. This scrutiny tend to snuff out normally naturally feelings like love and affection, and thus the search for confirmation actually increases our doubt.



22 comments:

  1. Thank you very much for this Blog. Im not sure if you still write or even read things on here...but id be interested in knowing how you are doing now...and what you have done to get there. email me at thelipz@hotmail.com if you are willing to exchange stories and experiences with our ROCD

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  2. I was seriously just brought to tears. I've been diagnosed, gone through therapy and I still suffer from time to time. This was like getting a big hug from someone who knows exactly what I go through to keep my relationship in tact. Thank you. Amazing job!

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    1. I was just diagnosed and am struggling with this very form of OCD. It brought me to tears as well knowing this is a real thing and seeing someone else identify so closely to it.
      Is there a support group for people with ROCD?

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  3. I was actually going to end my relationship until I read this article. I've always suffered with anxiety so this makes sense...I just need to find a way out as I want to be as happy in my relationship as I was a short while back.

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  4. Thank you so much for this... I was just diagnosed with this disorder. It is exhausting to battle it every day. I hope I find some relief someday.

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  5. wow this is exactly how I am feeling!
    I have been seeing a ocd therapists for 6 months been really struggling for 2 years.
    Have been married for 25 years ,thank god I have a great wife.
    but I am afraid I will loose her!

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  6. I couldn't agree more! I happen to be obsessing about a flaw and have been doing so for about 2 years although when I am not stressed or in a happy mood (which is rare) than this "flaw" isn't a flaw at all but a great positive attribute. I have become extremely burned out and had a huge panic attack last night because I felt as thought I have had it with the analyzing and assigning meanings to every tiny thing. I started to think that if I was in a good relationship then I wouldn't have to put in so much work to convince myself everything is okay. The only thing that keeps me going are those moments when my brain shuts the hell up and I'm in the moment (super rare for me) and then I see with clear eyes and I couldn't be happier. I wish I could stay like that forever. And when I do get that happy clear moment of pure joy and satisfaction, I still can't get rid of the cloud that says "This won't last long. What are you doing feeling happy!? Get back here to misery". I have no idea how to get things back on track and wipe my brain clean and just live in the moment.

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  7. Hey!
    I just recently found out that I have OCD. And, a while back-mid november- I started having doubts about my relationship. I'd have the usual 'Do I love him?' Thought. And it upset me so much to the point where I would have tearful nights for the past couple of weeks. When i saw him, while having these thoughts, they totally passed and everything felt right. That is until they came back again. And, I try thinking back to that 'break through' where everything felt fine, but then I start what ifing. "Were those true feelings?" "Am I just pretending?" It is a relief however to know that I'm not alone. And that, I shouldn't be worried about having these thoughts. Because here is the real thing. If I am literally worried this much about losing him...I really do love him.

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  8. Hey everyone. I'm posting this in hope that it at least helps one person if not many. This site at the bottom of my post, Conscious Transitions, is ran by Sheryl Paul of international rap-pour in relationship counciling. Her site is run on the basis of professional advice mixed with personal experience, and her eCourses have already helped hundreds of men and women (dating and engaged) through their experiences with ROCD. She explains with depth and clarity why some people cannot follow the cultural messages of 'doubt means don't', and normalises it in a way that makes everything more bearable. I am one of the lucky people on her eCourse and I could not be more grateful for finding this outlet.

    I urge anyone who comes across this post to check it out, I am already healing like many before me.

    The link is...

    conscious-transitions.com/

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  9. Hello,
    There is help. I learned allot from this blog: http://relationshipocd.com/ which Autor also wrote a book on ROCD.
    and also through a therapist who also organizes OCD and ROCD workshops: http://www.ocdcentre.com/

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  10. Here is another good article that can help
    http://www.topnotchdatingtips.com/am-i-in-love/

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  11. Omg this is me! I don't know what to do about it. I don't want these thoughts but I can't stop them. The more I try the more they come. What do I do?!? Does anyone know how to treat or cure ROCD? Will I ever not have these doubts and questions everything alllll the time and feel like nothing is ever good enough for me?!

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  12. Hi lala stop fighting the thoughts I know it sounds counter productive but it just makes it worse in the long run. you need to be mindful of the thought and let it pass but dont do any compulsons it will be extremely hard at first but eventually it will get easier. trust me

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  13. Been diagnosed about 2 years ago with another form of OCD, since a few months i suffer from "rOCD". Hope therapy works again. Very good post, really describe what I feel and helps me realise its just thoughts and not reality.

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  14. I second Josie's post. Sheryl Paul's work at Conscious Transitions has been indispensable to me for ROCD. Probably would not have gotten married without it. www.conscious-transitions.com

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  15. This is Nick. I'm a sufferer of OCD and I just wanted to ask someone if this OCD has latched onto my relationship.

    Around this time 2 years ago, my girlfriend and I had took a break (issues of commitment/fear of the future). During that break, we had both flirted with other people. But a few short months later, we got back together. My problem is, ever since we've gotten back together, I've been thinking about this other girl whom I had been friends with for months (the one I was interested in during the break) and I was attracted to her personality and her niceness.

    I am so anxious because my thoughts tell me that I love her, and want to be with her. But the fact of the matter is that I love my girlfriend so much, as we have been together for almost 3 years. This thought of the other girl has come and gone several times.. But the fact that I'm having it KILLS me. I don't want to be with this other girl, but my thoughts tell me otherwise. I'm not sure if it's the niceness in her that I don't see as much in my own girlfriend that's making me think this, or what. I just wanted to see what someone's input might be.

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  16. Nick,
    Sounds like you're looking for certainty -- a hallmark of OCD! Honestly, none of us can tell you if you have OCD or not. However, it sure sounds like the familiar OCD line of thinking. I urge you to check out the materials at Sheryl Paul's site http://conscious-transitions.com/break-free-from-relationship-anxiety-e-course/ and especially sign up for her assessment tool (on the link above) which features common traits of those who are indeed suffering from Relationship OCD. I was asking myself similar questions as you when I found Sheryl's materials, in particular her self-assessment, and it helped me go forward in confidence in my relationship. (We're now very happily married.) Sheryl also has a forum online, which helped me a lot in connecting with others who were struggling with relationship anxiety and/or OCD.

    Also remember that it is extremely NORMAL to be attracted to multiple people. We choose someone we love and who is good for us, but that doesn't mean we don't find things in others that we like. But I say... that's what friendship is for. If my partner does not have Trait X, no biggie -- I have friends with Trait X! And my partner does have Traits U, V, W, Y, Z. If I left my partner for someone else who has Trait X, then that other person probably wouldn't have Traits Y or Z, since no one person has "the entire package"... Sheryl works extensively with helping people find peace with this. Good luck, Nick -- hang in there, and may you find peace and beauty even in uncertainty.

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  17. p.s. Nick, I wanted to add: Lots of dudes use Sheryl's materials, too -- it's not just women!

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